Morning Audibles 6.11.10 Let's Look At This From a "Mission" Standpoint

I gotta admit... It's as confusing to CV as it is to anyone else what these charts look like right now...


The whole scenario reminds me of the scene in Apollo XIII when the oxygen tanks of the spacecraft exploded... There was entire chaos, but the crew of the space module and Gene Kranz (Flight Director at NASA's Mission Control in Houston - & whose character was played by the outstanding actor Ed Harris in the movie Apollo XIII), had to get an entire working team focused on the task of bringing the three astronauts (Jim Lovell, Ken Mattingly, & Fred Haise) back to Earth safely...


Gene Kranz

Decorated - PRESIDENTIAL MEDAL OF FREEDOM


I'm going to start by making some of you PHD's out there do your own homework and research the various EW scenarios that Andy T has been talking about on his "Sunday Evening Post" offerings (specifically - slide 5 from this past Sunday, June 6th)...


You don't have to be a "waver" to understand the diagram... It simply outlines a potential scenario (which can subsequently be NEGATED by a different set of outcomes)... There are OTHER scenarios, but they all follow rules... It's a process of ELIMINATION...


Despite my "joking around", CV is the pragmatic type... When things get serious, I like to LOOK AT THINGS FROM A MISSION STANDPOINT (like Mr. Krantz)... I want to first eliminate what's not working, and then assign probabilities to WHAT IS working...


"Let's work the problem people... Let's not make things worse by guessing"


Here are a few points that are CERTAIN... (SPX wise)


- 1140 is a bad number that the market (or TPTB) are trying to avoid
- Equity BULLS need to do a lot of work to reclaim a lot of technical damage done to the market during the month of May
- Presently, there are a number of different RESISTANCE levels overhead... There is, of course, the "Wanger Magical Mystical Number" that every fund manager, central banker, and sovereign leader is quaking in their boots over, 1097 (jk)... Beyond that:
- chart gap in the 11-teens
- some technical levels in the 1120's
- 1150 is a biggie
- 1173 would invalidate many wave scenarios


Basically, there are enough "scenarios" to boggle ones mind at the moment... But the bottom line is this... It's a more COMPLEX gauntlet for BULLS to navigate (if they hope to extend the rally from the March '09 lows), than what the BEARS might have to suffer... Recently, gains have been fought for "tooth & nail" or by outright market intervention (whereas SELL OFFS come along rather easily)...


Notwithstanding, If your inclination is to GO SHORT this market, doing so WILLY NILLY could be hazardous to your nether regions (depending on your entry point, your risk profile, or your tolerance for pain)... 


Therefore, I'm going to present this SHORT TERM chart to perhaps serve as a guide to short term ENTRY POINTS (and/or positions to "flee from)... This is a 10 minute chart on the SPX for the past 20 days... Some of it is annotated, but I'll bullet point some of those thoughts in text as well...




- In the past 20 days, CV notes MANY breaks of the 200SMA have occurred in "overnight" trading... While I could ask the simple question "WHY"?... The answer to that question ought to be obvious to anyone who DOESN'T work for CNBC, Bloomberg, the Fed, or the Obama Administration...


- Note the (RSI) waves... The extreme "overbought" or "oversold" readings came either on a sharp break to the other side of the SMA, or otherwise as an EWI peak was being established...


- The DEVIATIONS are also of interest... While we've had OVERSOLD amplitude deviations, the largest OVERBOUGHT deviation came at only 1/3rd the amplitude of the weaker side... This may or may not say anything, but it's certainly something to FACTOR IN (especially considering that there's a little room to spare on the UPSIDE of the RSI at the moment)...


- The potential TARGET of upside (potentially the 1110-1120 area) happens to be an area of interest to "wavers"... It should also be of note that the last time the SPX traded at those levels (7 days ago), the RSI hit a PEAK... Therefore, EXCEEDING those levels with a lower RSI would generate bearish divergence...


- On the other side of the equation... The next cross to the downside of that 200SMA may portend doom... Furthermore, based on recent pattern, those "crosses" may happen overnight (so be careful of your positions going to bed at night)...


Things are already interesting... And they're about to get MORE INTERESTING...


Come to think of it... While we're working on PROBLEMS... Why don't we get this guy...



"Look Americans, this is sand, and we don't like tar blobs "washing-TON" up on it on our beaches... So I'm here before you, to look authoritative, and make promises to KICK SOME ASS... Please now, go back to your "Dancing With The Stars Episodes & remember "I INHERITED THIS PROBLEM"... Sooner or later I'll get to that "Hope & Change" crap you bought into..."


Instead of just posing for foto-ops...


To call someone like this guy...




Or please, at least someone like him that has either RUN A DAIRY QUEEN before (or "something" else even mildly managerial in nature)... & hopefully DIDN'T go to Harvard!



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mcHAPPY said...

Great post, CV. Sums up my thoughts exactly - but in a different light.

Ben/AT I responded on previous threads to last nights discussion. I was unavailable last night, unfortunately.

Privately Employed said...

British inflation expectations jump
6:27 am ET 06/11/2010 - MarketWatch Databased News
LONDON (MarketWatch) -- The British public's inflation expectations surged in the second quarter, the Bank of England's latest inflation survey showed Friday, potentially unsettling policy makers looking for price pressures to eventually recede.

The survey, conducted for the BOE last month by research firm GfK NOP, found that median expectations for the inflation rate over the coming year were 3.3%, up from 2.5% in February and the highest since August 2008.

Asked to give the current inflation rate, respondents produced a median answer of 3.6%, up from 3.3% in February. April data showed annual consumer inflation of 3.7%.

...Interesting. Jimmy Carter's stagflation, or just an abberation, short term? If the mission is to inflate away debt, then the Brits probably are fairly happy with this number...but if you are elderly (I know, said before)and you have ZIRP, even dog food will trend higher...

BinT said...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601083&sid=aHt_9BjJRhoA

Currency Controls Mount in Asia as Euro Hurts Exports

“With the euro plunging, some central banks seem to be quite aggressive in stemming gains in their currencies,” said Kenichiro Ikezawa, who oversees about $3 billion as a fund manager at Daiwa SB Investments Ltd. in Tokyo and favors Brazilian and Australian debt over emerging-market Asian bonds. “China may delay revaluation and that, together with low yields in Asia, give little incentive to buy them.”

Business-Plan Revision

The Korean won’s one-month implied volatility, a measure of exchange-rate swings used to price options, climbed 146 percent this quarter, the second-biggest jump among 47 currencies tracked by Bloomberg. Seven of the top 10 increases are in Asia. The won has the widest expected fluctuations at 25 percent, compared with 12 percent for both the Indonesian rupiah and the ringgit.

Exporters are seeking help from policy makers because the 10 most-active currencies in Asia outside Japan have strengthened an average of 19 percent against the euro this year. Shipments to the European Union fell in April from a month earlier, ranging from 5.6 percent for Malaysia to 19.5 percent for Thailand, according to government statistics. Europe took in 27 percent of India’s exports and 23 percent of China’s.

...Looks like to me little Timmy can rant all he wants, maybe even stamp his little footie...

mcHAPPY said...

Ra's picture above may be very deserving. This is an eery calm with futures virtually unchanged all morning.

CV said...

BP Chairman Svanberg to Meet With Obama on Oil Spill

http://preview.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-11/bp-chairman-svanberg-summoned-for-meeting-with-obama-on-gulf-oil-spill.html

I'm guessing this is where Obama "Kicks his ass"...

He's already "kicking the ass" of widows & retirees...(Like Nic's grandmother)...

BP Prepares to Defer Dividend After Obama Pressure

http://www.timesplus.co.uk/tto/news/?login=false&url=http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/americas/article2551599.ece

Let's work the problem people
Gene Kranz

wunsacon said...

>> He's already "kicking the ass" of widows & retirees...(Like Nic's grandmother)...

Is that the Ben Stein argument, that BP shareholders shouldn't lose money just because the company they invested in was badly run?

McFearless said...

McHap,

ok, just wanted to be clear, I still have to go back and look how you are counting but in an expanded flat the C wave should end substantially beyond the end of A.

Also, on 4 lapping into 1, EWI will sometimes allow for it even though it goes against a basic rule because as AT said on the other slide,it's more about where 4 ends relative to the end of 1, Dan put up a chart last night after someone mentioned that Elliott used closing prices for counting, which is def. in Elliott's book which violates no rules as of now....but we shouldn't do stuff like that to "prove" our counts.

I'm with AT at this point, I don't think there is any logic in labeling this as a 1-2, 1-2, I still consider the next wave down as being 5 though, we'll see if an RSI at 50 rejects the market down again.

wunsacon said...

Folks, what books would any of you recommend on either EW or technical analysis? (So far, I've only read "Technical Analysis Demystified".)

McFearless said...

someone mentioned the Baltic Dry Index in last night's thread....that's not going to predict any trouble ahead for markets...it was up over 120% from 1/08 to 05/08....not a "leading indicator", thinking that was signaling underlying strength then got you killed, doesn't have to be the same this time, but I wouldn't rely on it.

McFearless said...

wunsacon, if you are going to get into EW there are only two books that even need be considered:

Mastering Elliott Wave by Neely
and Elliott Wave Principle by Frost and Prechter

mcHAPPY said...

Ben,

The only expanded flat I was counting was the B wave:

a - very short 1103.52-1091.81
b - 1091.81-1105.67
c - HUGE 1105.67-1042.17

A was 1040.78 to 1103.52
C is ongoing with 1042.17 being start

Definitely agree on trying to "prove" counts. To steal the NBA's most famous line the last 3 years, "It is what it is."

Speaking of NBA, glad to see Celts win. Don't really care who wins as long as it is a long series. We are down to best 2 of 3 now.

McFearless said...

hmm, I'll stop and consider a few things about this:

"The survey, conducted for the BOE last month by research firm GfK NOP, found that median expectations for the inflation rate over the coming year were 3.3%, up from 2.5% in February and the highest since August 2008."

1. I wonder when this survey was conducted last month....perhaps views have changed.

2. Notice the last time expectations for inflation were highest...that's right August 2008, boy was that a great time to bet on flation....the kind with a DE in front. Oil prices anyone?

3. The conclusions of these types of polls should basically always be rejected/ignored imo.

Anonymous said...

here some good news-

Retail Sales Post Biggest Decline Since Sept. 2009, Down 1.2% in May

McFearless said...

must have been the sun storm ahab...errrr

Anonymous said...

BinT-

did you read my Denninger link I posted yesterday with you in mind- regarding the forced servitude of doctors in Mass?

b22- yeah- sun storms can be pretty fierce

CV said...

@wunsacon

I don't know if it's the Ben Stein argument or not (because I'm not much of a fan of Ben Stein and don't really listen to him)...

My point is... "All this is POSTURING" & it's a silly waste of time... If Obama wants to "take ownership" of the problem, fine, go ahead...

But you know what all this is?

Because of the regional aspects, naturally comparisons are going to be made with the Katrina disaster... Bush was crucified mercilessly for "not caring", and/or FEMA being inept in their process of dealing with the crisis...

Obama, at the time, had one of the loudest voices and tallest soap boxes... Now it's his turn to be faced (as sitting president) with a disaster situation...

I agree that there's nothing much he can do (unless he actually DOES have a team of experts that is equipped to deal with a problem like this)...

So my point is... Step aside... Or - If you want to come blazing into town and take ownership of the crisis... Be prepared for everything that comes with that responsibility...

Anonymous said...

and this headline kills me-

"Retail Sales Show Surprise Slump as Consumers Struggle"

why surprising- where do these people live for crying out loud

wunsacon said...

"Sun storms"? Hey, that might fly on CNBC, with this elaboration: "After all the snow earlier in the year, people wanted to spend their time outside in the good weather instead of the malls."

Anonymous said...

If Obama wants to "take ownership" of the problem, fine, go ahead...

no doubt CV- what a rookie move that was- all ego- when he should have just said he would rely on the experts recommendations and do what he could to help out

Anonymous said...

wunsacon-

that's perfect- have you considered a career as a financial news writer- forget Elliot Waves.

wunsacon said...

CV, understood. I get that part.

...

McFearless, thanks for the book recommendations.

...

See you later, folks. Good luck today.

Nic said...

Morning!
Here is something to make you smile (esp Karen). The BP oil spill explained in 1min by cats:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt617zYAbng

McFearless said...

wunsa,

yes, that's my little joke in bringing up the sun...I remember well earlier this year gearing up for the jobs data how many many pundits were saying beforehand the number could be weak "because of the snowstorm" which is the media's (and most market participants) never ending rush to find some "event" to explain every market and economic data point. Fast forward to today, retail sales are down....well, by their logic, it MUST have been the sun, it's been hot lately, who shops when it's hot, I don't even want to buy gas when its this hot.

lol.

Anonymous said...

hey Nic-

I posted that a few days ago (purloined it from Kid Dynamite)-

nothing but a big yawn w/ the CV crew- but maybe you sold it better than me

McFearless said...

and I might add when the jobs number wasn't as bad as feared because of the snow, all the pundits said:

See, I told you this was a V you bitches!

McFearless said...

I watched it ahab, my wife liked it.

CV said...

@ahab

If he REALLY wants to be helpful, why don't they start by being HONEST about the magnitude of the spill?

Why aren't they bulldozing sand in Florida to protect the oil from creeping into inlets & destroying ecosystems?

I mean, at least start working on things we can still potentially protect in the process...

AmenRa said...

Everyone should have known that retail sales would be lower if Walmart is cutting prices. D'oh.

mcHAPPY said...

@McF,

Did the explanation provide any clarity?

Is it within the parameters of EW?

I do know that EWP says if you have a 5 wave down it is most likely the start of a new impulse rather than a B wave so it does have that going against it.

Anonymous said...

b22-

yeah- British accents kill me- especially from cats- and Mike Myers-

but since that is the Mother Tongue- I guess we are the one's w/ accents-

(and Irish accents- forget it- I can't understand a thing they are saying)

McFearless said...

McHap,

I think your count could work, but I'm not sure it's a high probability count...no rule breaks though, so it's something to keep an eye on.

McFearless said...

Ra,

exactly, they say they see customers at WMT living paycheck to paycheck more than ever before, we've got an all time record number on SNAP (food stamps) and yet here is the headline on Bloom, using the U word:

Retail Sales in U.S. Unexpectedly Decrease 1.2% as Consumers Boost Savings

Anonymous said...

CV-

dude- Obama should be relying on whatever the folks who know about this type of thing tell him- if that's bulldozing sand- then that's what should be done-

all ego to say "hey I'm in charge- I got this thing handled"-

and that Bush took such a beating for Katrina- the ramifications of that didn't even come into play until a few days after the storm left-

what is Bush suppose to be doing- standing over a map of NO- pinpointing where to place sand bags-

effing joke

Wes said...

...re bp spill...try this one...u guys r eff'd...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AAa0gd7ClM&feature=player_embedded

McFearless said...

well ahab, apparently the experts he's supposed to be talking to are going to tell Obama who's ass to kick, and Obama's claim is, they didn't even care about this little oil spill a month or so ago, but HE did, he was IN THE RAIN talking about it:

"I was down there a month ago, before most of these talking heads were even paying attention to the Gulf. A month ago, I was meeting with fishermen down there standing in the rain talking about what a potential crisis this would be," the president said.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshgerstein/0610/On_spill_Obama_seeking_ass_to_kick.html

Anonymous said...

Consumers Boost Savings

yeah- that's bad- not good for our way of life- our debt induced spending bacchanalia

Anonymous said...

"standing in the rain?"

wow- that's manning up for sure- lol

McFearless said...

lol Wes, "that's a small spill on a large table"

and nice pic of the waves

phi...

CV said...

@McF

When a country faces a credit & debt crisis that comes to a point of froth (as it did in '08)...

... and the "policy response" (by the Administration) is to do a balance transfer from one credit card to another & up the balance in the process)... Meanwhile - send the message out to folks that "all is well"...

The - sure, a year later, a DECREASE in retail sales is "U" (because people were lied to - and they were too lazy or stupid to figure out that the problems weren't solved)...

Anonymous said...

funny clip there Wes-

I thought the bag on the string was going to work for sure(-:!!!!

AmenRa said...

SP futures $11 under fair value. Should get interesting.

CV said...

I was meeting with fishermen down there standing in the rain talking about what a potential crisis this would be...

CV: (raises his hand in the classroom) "Ooh ooh can I say something?"

Obama: (with "ass kicking" look on his face) "Yeah, go ahead, but make it snappy"

CV: "What about the BLOGGERS that have been talking about what a potential crisis unmitigated spending and bailouts would portend and in the process, wreak havoc"?...

FADE TO BLACK - (the sound of "Singin' in the Rain" is whistling in the background)...

72bat said...

"as Consumers Boost Savings"
read "as consumers stop spending and pay down credit card balances"
who has any $ to "save" at the end of the month?

CV said...

@Amen Ra

Well that wouldn't be enough to qualify for one of my (overnight SMA crossovers), per chart in thread...

CV said...

@Amen

It would have to go 30 handles lower in the first 10 minutes...

Nic said...

Sorry Ahab ... still catching up here.
I am looking for 1068 to be support in S&p today.
Ugly retail sales no surprise

Anonymous said...

from Robert Reich- (who has been consistent in his message)-


Don't Listen to the Cheerleaders, the Main Street Economy Isn't Improving

karen said...

morning! outstanding post CV.. i will go back and read it more carefully..
saw futures down and dragged my weary bones out of bed.. couldn't sleep from 3am on.. (nic, a friend sent me that cats video days and days ago.. it's been slow to pop up on the blogs!)

mcHAPPY said...

Any failure to get through 1072.38 is going to be fishy to me.

karen said...

i am livid that 1077 didn't give way..

Mannwich said...

Morning all! Am still fired up this morning over that epic performance by the Celts bench last night in the fourth quarter.

Phil was so pissed by it he refused to answer a question about it at the press conference last night. Fantastic.

Mannwich said...

Doc coached circles around Phil last night, who gassed Gasol and Kobe by playing the whole 2nd half last night.

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-100611/daily-dime

Anonymous said...

. . .and I have to follow up on what Karen said-

great post- I actually read it last night-

. . .and Nic- there is possibly disharmony w/ a kitten post coming from ol' ahab-

just like Sears- I have my softer side- lol

Mannwich said...

And someone here (I wonder who?) made the prediction before the series the bench would be the big factor in the series either way.

karen said...

just skimmed last night's thread... all over my head, sighing with disgust.. when the games becomes this senseless, i think the players just want to go home.

CV said...

Manny Manny he's our man if he can't do it nobody can! :-)

CV said...

@karen

Whatever you do girl... Never... I say NEVER read through the entire comment section of a ZH thread...

You'll want to slit your jugular! :-)

Nic said...


This is the cover story for the next edition of Business Week.


We may have a bottom in stocks.

karen said...

CV, laughing.. I never bother with the comments over there unless it's a RobotTrader post !!

Nic said...

Obviously I meant TEMPORARY bottom. I don't want to start being classed along with the WangerCognos'es

Mannwich said...

@cv: Hey, I figure if I can't get the markets right, I can go to Vegas and start betting on games. Might be easier and less rigged. ;-)

CV said...

Speaking of "slitting jugulars"...

CV had to put his HEDGES back on a little here (I had taken them off on Wednesday - Expecting a Thursday collapse below 1040)...

WRONG!

Needless to say, I wasn't very happy at the market close yesterday... But I took the opportunity this morning to move a little more towards neutral...

If this thing collapses, I'll still make money (just less), but I'm not excited about the prospect of positions going against me for a few days...

I'm still positive on the year (and want to keep it that way)...

Mannwich said...

Either way, I'll probably lose all of my money, so I think I'll avoid both right now for the most part. Too aggravating.

karen said...

"Despite evidence of improving conditions, most bears have changed their outlooks only marginally, if at all." This is where I have the biggest problem with the bull case!!! THERE IS NO REAL EVIDENCE OF IMPROVING CONDITIONS! BALANCE SHEETS ARE AS BAD AS EVER..

Anonymous said...

karen-

wow- now that's interesting

and CV- I read the comments over there- and I can say w/ certainty that Gordon Gekko recommends gold

CV said...

@Manny

Or - You could get yourself aligned with CV's "Triple Crown" picks...

McFearless said...

Manny,

you were right, that bench was huge last night. big baby played maybe his best game? next game should be interesting, as you point out, the Lakers top two played a lot of minutes against the celtics bench last night. That was a good game.

CV said...

@ahab

Gold... Gordon... Gotcha!

karen said...

"Shilling holds to the view that recovery is a mirage whipped up by government stimulus, that the economy is held in check by declining home prices and contracting credit."

CV said...

@Manny

Just don't count cards or they'll break your knuckles...

CV said...

@karen

Shilling be right

Nic said...

I am trying to seperate being bearish on the economy/debt/banks/Europe/housing/FNM&FRE and being bearish stocks. Some 15 months of hard lessons is helping.

mcHAPPY said...

"THERE IS NO REAL EVIDENCE OF IMPROVING CONDITIONS! BALANCE SHEETS ARE AS BAD AS EVER.."

When you base upon 1980's and 1990's accouting standards, 100% absolutely yes.

When you base on the latest rendition of 'acounting' rules absolutely not.

Unfortunately a ponzi scheme by any other name is still a ponzi scheme.

I made reference to this a couple of nights ago in a wrap up regarding EWI webinar a few nights ago. They said due to the manipulation in accounting standards and changing valuations over the years, the best way to judge stock value is through the dividend yield. The DOW dividend yield is currently third lowest of all time (2000 and 2007 being lower). The current yield is actually lower than 1929 - YIKES.

karen said...

and a great quote from Meredith:

"A vast majority of last year's profits for the banks were government-induced," she told the Bloomberg Markets Global Hedge Fund & Investor Summit in May. "The government is putting a lifeguard on duty so that people will play in the pool." Still, she indicated that if prices fell further, she might dip a toe in the water and fish out some bank stocks. As for the housing market, "I'm steadfast in my belief that there's going to be a double dip," she says

Mannwich said...

@cv: If I were them, I wouldn't worry. I'd probably count them INCORRECTLY and still lose. I used to joke that the casinos should hire me as their "Cooler" (which was a great little movie, by the way) to cool off the hot tables on the floor.

Mannwich said...

Nate calls he and Big Baby "Shrek and the Donkey", they're so inseparable. LOL.

CV said...

@Nic (10:03)

That's an excellent observation...

If there's one thing CV has learned during this time, it's how QE can make it's way into asset classes...

Having said that... Let's say we do a dip into the 800's (SPX), and then some $10 TRILLION QE package is announced...

Having had the experience from the past year... I'm going to have to do some SERIOUS SOUL SEARCHING as to the potential impact on indices and stock prices...

I will have to totally detach my ideas on the eventual outcome (which will be the same failure regardless), with the short term effect on asset prices...

McFearless said...

@Nic,

BR has a big post on that today. I read the article this morning, and I had a couple thoughts:

I don't read a lot of those people on a regular basis but I think the article is still representative of massive optimism due to how they classify each pundit and they way their outlooks are discussed. My boy Prechter is listed under what the MSM might call the "permabear" crowd. This reveals psychology and ignores facts. Precther used to be considered a perma-bull, and still calling him a perma-bear and treating his calls like that denies the reality that he has been correct for 10 years!

further, I found it interesting that Jeremy Grantham was considered domesticated as well as James Grant. Jeremy Grantham is brilliant, but lets make no mistake, he got hammered in 2008. James Grant, as I'm to understand it, many months ago flipped bullish, Grantham wrote the long paper last year about buying when you were scared and has been bullish stocks ever since, though more cautious lately....it's no wonder they get that label in the article.

I like the cover indicators that are more blatant...like naming BB Time's person of the year, or the TIME cover with summers rubin and greenspan on it....this time around the story has been twisted and turned for several people mentioned to really paint a picture that isn't entirely based in reality, to state that Prechters views come from what the government is doing is laughable for anyone that reads him on a regular basis...laughable.

CV said...

@Nic

And I'll vive you an example...

That $10 - $15T of QE was an "idea" that I heard this week for the first time...

It was floated at 1040 (and appeared in several places)...

All of a sudden now there's a surge in stocks here...

Just saying...

I still think we go down into the 800's... But watch what happens if something like that comes into being...

I'd be interested in seeing Andy's "bullish" wave counts in a scenario like that...

And THAT is where bank stocks would be the biggest beneficiaries...

It's be "Hold your nose & buy" time...

McFearless said...

well I'm just going to make a statement here and when/if the time comes I'll further explain what I meant by this:

if there is a QE 2, I will put myself all in short the stock market.

CV said...

@McF

Or Erin "B-Cups" riding the bull... lol

McFearless said...

C,

yes, she's got a real knack for being an indicator as well, along with her constant lining with silver of everything.

CV said...

@McF

Don't wait until then... Tell us now...

Why?

Because my friend, it's time to start making plans along those lines... QE2 is coming within the next 6-9 months...

You saw Bob Janjuah's comments recently, right... I tend to believe his premise...

Now - I haven't fully formulated my ideas on what that will do to equities (except for "knee jerk")...

Obviously - such a thing could cause a bond market meltdown (which would kill equities)... But there are a lot of factors...

AmenRa said...

Odd that the higher the market pushes the higher the NYSE TRIN goes.

I-Man said...

SPX thinks it can take out 1090 today, huh?

Nic said...

I will be all-in short with you McF!

Anonymous said...

b22/Nic-

re short on QE-

because of disruption in the credit markets?

I-Man said...

I bet we see 1068 before the NY lunch hour...

Nic said...

BP spills coffee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AAa0gd7ClM

Nic said...

Ahab because we will dip hard before we rally.

Nic said...

McHappy
Very good fundamental analysis of Canadian economy blog here: http://fundamentaltrader.wordpress.com/

I-Man said...

I'd take a swing at SPXU here, and close it out if the SPX cash bounces hard at 1082, and 1086 becomes support.

CV said...

@Nic

"because we dip hard before we rally"

I understand... But if that's the thesis, why not just keep powder dry and wait it out until the end?

If anything 2009 taught you, it's that when Ford goes from $12 to $1, if you're short, you make 92%...

If you're long at $1, you make 1200%

72bat said...

karen -
have u bot srs below 27? or drv below 7?

CV said...

What I'm saying is that Prechter is RIGHT...

When this thing blows, cash is the only real thing to have...

And from my POV... Not even that much cash... IOW - convert as much cash while you still can into things you can use... Save a little extra on the side... Perhaps it'll be useful for something...

Anonymous said...

I like this-

“Time, devaluations, and debt restructurings might be the only way out for many nations,” Crescenzi wrote in an e-mailed note titled “Keynesian Endpoint” that referenced the Great Depression era economist John Maynard Keynes. Debt-fueled spending programs aimed at combating the global financial crisis of 2008 are among policy tools now “being seen as a magic elixir that has morphed into poison.”

Mannwich said...

Welcome to the "new normal" - the flatline economy, AT BEST, ahab. The fact that this will be surprising to anyone is quite frankly beyond idiotic.

Anonymous said...

manny-

the way I see it- it was a global jerk fest and everyone already shot their wad-

more QE?? 10 to 15 trillion? If Europe and the rest of the world aren't palying-

how do we get away w/ that?

karen said...

bat, yesterday i added 4k shares of drv under $7 also dbld my faz and re-entered tza. sorry i am out of sorts today! personal stuff and i have window washers coming.. i really like my privacy and to have people here for 3-4 hrs is very unsettling to me. (naturally, i think i have to clean everywhere first, too! ha! i don't do the windows, tho.. just the mirrors.)

I-Man said...

If we trade back up to 1082 now, I'd be looking to add a third to that SPXU position...

If we keep dropping to 1068 with no bounce, I'd just let the first third ride.

No need to load up on shorts until we breach 1040. Just keep them light and tight.

Mannwich said...

Agreed ahab. The game is coming to a close, with some very dire consequences. How can this be at all surprising to anyone with a half a brain? Will delusional ignorance anyone? Or merely hubris on a scale never seen before in the history of mannkind?

Nic said...

you are right CV

karen said...

I-Man we are at 1082 and then some!

I-Man said...

I'd be looking to add that third of SPXU now @ 1082.5 on the cash.

Downside target = 1068

Buy stop = 1084.5

I-Man said...

Love ya karen

Anonymous said...

CV-

????

are you recommending all cash from here?

I-Man said...

I hear Mexico got a goal stolen from them...

South Africa 1
Mexico 0

20mins left...

McFearless said...

CV, ahab,

"re short on QE-"

I don't want to write a novel on it now, or to attempt to push my views to change others mind's and I doubt I could change the opinion on QE anyway. Simply put, in my little world the conclusion that QE "caused" the rally we have seen is completely wrong, as I recall, when it was originally discussed the VAST majority of people thought it would do nothing, it was more pushing on a string, now when round 2 is discussed it's a foregone conclusion it will, without a doubt, CAUSE a huge rally. We don't know what round 2 is, when, if ever, it will be implemented but it seems people know for sure it's going to cause a rally, and a very large one at that.

The market will call BS.

I realize I'm in the minority here but that's ok. Time will tell how it plays out.

I-Man said...

Mex just tied it up.

McFearless said...

"more QE?? 10 to 15 trillion? If Europe and the rest of the world aren't palying-

how do we get away w/ that?"


ahab, isn't that the trillion dollar question? where does the wide held belief now come from that the Fed can do whatever they please yet global market particpants will not have anything but a positive reaction to it, no chance they try to protect themselves since they are all just robots? In Bernanke's world perhaps...but as our boy Hugh Hendry says:

Hello.....Let me tell you about the real world

McFearless said...

I don't think a host country has ever lost in the first round of World Cup right?

CV said...

The path we're presently on is as follows:

1. Private Debt has become debt heaped onto sovereign debt...
2. The "policy response" has been to MONETIZE
3. It isn't working
4. Some "sovereigns" are beginning to decouple from the COORDINATED APPROACH tactic (witness germany)
5. As that continues to happen - It will become every sovereign for himself
6. The US has shown no indication that it will stray from the policy of QE (next time it is needed - it will be forthcoming)
7. That will only happen after the next CRISIS becomes manifest.
8. It'll manifest sooner than many expect (maybe days or weeks - but at worst - a few months)... I wouldn't be surprised to see it unfold BEFORE the elections... It'll be somewhat of a "divine hand" that plays out like a classic TV gameshow "So - you want to be a teapartier"...
9. When push comes to shove, despite all the yakking and pitchforks, AMERICANS will either cave in again, or stand by idly, and let the policymakers run roughshod over them...
10. There will be a little more violence attached to this round than last time, but now that we're at the HANDOUT stage, many will be IN NEED of a handout and will fall back in line...
11. Actually - at that point, other sovereigns will see the government of the US is supposedly "handling" the mess (because their central bank has a printing press)... They'll turn to their own governments and say "Enough with this AUSTERITY crap - toss me a bone"...
12. There will be more violence worldwide as these demands are made...
13. At that point, the situation becomes totalitarian... Trade will cease, borders will more or less be sealed... Countries will turn inwards...
14. The US can manage itself, but it's "lifeSTYLE" will be severely altered...
15. Many EASY TO FIND and CHEAP consumer items will either no longer be available, in short supply, or cost too much to obtain...
16. Commerce (and living standards) will begin to decay towards 3rd world standards (only getting completely there in isolated areas)...

At this point in the game

- If you're elderly and rely on a pension for your sustenance - you're probably screwed
- If you're poor (and not able bodied) - you're probably screwed
- If you're poor (and able bodied) - you might have a chance somewhere
- If you're middle class - you're likely to become one of the previous 3 mentioned
- If your rich - your life STYLE will be different, but you'll get by
- If you're UBER - RICH - you may become king of your own fifedom...
- If you're OFF GRID (and rely very little on a market society to exist)... You'll probably do OK...

karen said...

$vix is unfathomable to me..

karen said...

thanks for cheering me up, CV!

trading diary said...

Hi Ben,
Thanks for sharing your view on QE2. I think simply everyone is thinking QE2 will cause stock rally may not be the reason stock will tank. However, there is possiblilty that QE2 induce bond market crash which further crashes stock market. At least, that's how things played out in 1930. As you said before change of stock price is a function of many factors. I would say QE, or liquidity, is one. It becomes tricker to weight those factors together. I really appreciate if you could elaborate the logic behind the hypothesis that QE2 will CAUSE stock tanking.

Thanks

mcHAPPY said...

Thanks, Nic. Here is another good one. It is not regular but most of the posts are really good. I hate to be a downer but too many Canadians are patting themselves on the back, saying what has happened everywhere else cannot happen here.

http://americacanada.blogspot.com/

CV said...

@I-Man

RSI on the 10 min SPX right now is less than 20...

If you looked at the chart I put up in the thread... That's been a BUYING signal the past 20 days...

Just saying...

CV said...

@karen

I'm not trying to be negative... I'm trying to WORK THE PROBLEM...

My satisfaction comes in knowing I did the best I could do under the circumstances... Not a PIE EYED
marketing driven concept of lifestyle...

I-Man said...

Lets see if 1084.5 was enough room on the buy stop... probably wasnt. Placement of those levels is a tough thing to master...

karen said...

a scheme that didn't fly..

Pyramid Hotels & Resorts Inc. withdrew its plan to raise as much as $275 million in an initial public offering, citing current market conditions.

Chief Financial Officer David Gaw's letter to the Securities and Exchange Commission didn't provide further detail on why the company shelved the offering. Many companies have withdrawn or postponed offerings recently amid volatile markets. Others that have gone public have seen IPOs sold below estimates.

McFearless said...

td,

please do not confuse what I'm saying, again, when I approach markets, it's with an underlying belief that external events DO NOT change or cause market trends. All wavers approach markets in this manner. I am not saying that QE2 is going to cause a market crash, simply stating what side of the trend I think would be the right one next time around, assuming the market allows a next time.

For years I used to take this thought process for granted, then I realized that 99 out of 100 people I come in contact with use nothing but external events to predict the past (what they call forecasts)

I-Man said...

I-Man retreats.

Anonymous said...

Commerce (and living standards) will begin to decay towards 3rd world standards (only getting completely there in isolated areas)...

kind of the end point in my mind as well

Mannwich said...

Yeah, thanks cv. Now I think I'll go jump out my basement egress window. ;-)

72bat said...

@ ben
u should have something in your mailbox now

McFearless said...

perhaps we can have a discussion at some point on monetization of debt because with money supply contracting I'm having a hard time believing this is actually what happened/is hapening, I'd rather lean towards bad old credits being swapped with new credits...not money.

Perhaps with banks hoarding cash we can't see the monetization?

CV said...

@McF (11:39)

Thanks for those thoughts...

I'll have to admit... I HAVE NOT come to any conclusions yet on the subject (as there will be other things to factor in when that moment arrives)...

I always appreciate your thoughts on such things...

I'm trying to be as prepared as possible for when that moment comes...

- It wasn't much of a topic in 2009 (because the "buzz" hadn't worn off yet)

- Now, as many of us here told everyone would happen, the "buzz" IS wearing off... So it's time to start speculating as to outcomes...

I HAVE NO DOUBT IN MY MIND that when the time comes, at least the POLICY response will be something along the lines of what Bob Janjuah described...

Is it the right policy? Of course NOT... Was it the right policy in 2008? Of course not...

The difference is, back in 2008, nobody knew how and if we'd go about dealing with the problem...

Now the die is cast...

The ONLY way it will be any different is if there is a SERIOUS REVOLT (with all the violence attached)... I frankly don't think Americans are prepared for that just yet...

Let's put it this way... There will be some pockets of violence, but not ALL OUT WARFARE... At least, this time around... We'll just be "dipping a toe" along those lines...

You say EWI deals with "probabilities"... CV believes that what I'm outlining here is a HIGH PROBABILITY outcome...

Now how the markets react to that is a completely different story... And that's why I'd agree with you to NOT have any foregone conclusions...

McFearless said...

C,

On this point:

9. When push comes to shove, despite all the yakking and pitchforks, AMERICANS will either cave in again, or stand by idly, and let the policymakers run roughshod over them...


I might argue that the more Americans are pushed the closer we get to the sleeping giant to wake up.....I'm not convinced this is how it plays, but it would seem today at least this is what will happen.

the rest of what you write there is a likely unfortunate reality, there is a reason on the front page of the EWFF count when they talk about the significance of a Primary Wave 3 if it is to occur, they list "US Survival" as the most significant aspect of the wave.

McFearless said...

72,

cool, thanks much.

karen said...

very interesting market message from arthur hill today.. along the lines CV was following with RSI: "The [$NYA] indicator window shows RSI also at its moment-of-truth. This momentum indicator dipped below 40 at the end of May, but rebounded back in the zone this month. A break below the May low in RSI would be bearish." He's using an RSI of 14 on a two year weekly chart...

from my own perspective, one thing the bulls have going for them on the $NYA is that it did break above the downtrend line from May, tho that could be a trap as we are basically sitting on it weakly.. it while it seems to be holding above the 100 dma, barely, that line in headed down.

Anonymous said...

"Pyramid Hotels & Resorts Inc."

Pyramid? why not call it Ponzi...? LOL.

Anonymous said...

maybe a solid federal government job is the way to go-

I could always go back to the IRS I guess- of course if things get bad- people might be gunning for me

Mannwich said...

Hilarious anon. Someone really should open a Ponzi Resort. I'd visit.

CV said...

@McF

I want to make it clear that that #9 that I refer to is only what I believe will happen NEXT TIME...

Not, the NEXT TIME after that...

Look at it from a political standpoint...

1 person = 1 vote (unless you're from Chicago)

Therefore, as long as there are people who feel they can still USE a vote to vote themselves a handout, they'll use it that way (especially to avoid violence)...

It won't be until that vote gets them NADA until mass numbers of them turn to violence...

Mannwich said...

@ahab: Just wear a bullet proof vest (and helmet) around. Problem solved.

CV said...

@karen

Thanks for that add-on...

I'm using the RSI (as expressed in this thread) as an indication of how long this EYE can last...

If Andy T's abc-x-abc theory is right... That 10 minute chart (coupled with RSI & 10 min. 200SMA) might provide a handy navigation tool for when the wave is coming to completion)...

IOW - If I see an 80+ RSI coupled with 3 and a half deviations off the 200SMA, I might come to the conclusion that the wave is ending and we'd be preparing to go down hard...

I-Man said...

Should be breaking down here again in a minute...

Not really impressed with the action right here, would have expected more of an effort to blow out that 1084...

They might be waiting for more shorts to get lined up OR...

They dont know shit.

CV said...

@Manny

I'll just watch it all from TV...

CV said...

@I-Man

There's no THEY...

When the market rises, it's on no volume... It's all algos...

I-Man said...

Think I'll try this again...

But buystop it out at 1086 this time around.

Anonymous said...

manny-

it will be like Rome-

keep the soldiers and civil servants happy-

to hell w/ everyone else

CV said...

@ahab

exactly

Les Algos Français said...

Even we will shut down at 2.30 to watch Les Bleus...

I-Man said...

I know that accent... would recognize it anywhere.

Something about british folks trying to talk french that always raises an I-brow...

CV said...

What make CV laughis all the money poured into the idea that we have this "standard of living" to maintain...

As if DANCING WITH THE STARS is the pinnacle of existence...

or

Oh I could just NOT LIVE without my phone apps or paying $50 for a designer hamburger at a fancy Manhattan eatery!

God forbid!

CV said...

Pepe le Pew?

Anonymous said...

and Manny-

w/ veteran's preference and my Navy Expeditionary Medal (5 point bonus)-

I can get a job tomorrow-

nice steady pay- come hell or high water

I-Man said...

Well, I-Man can hunt, fish, and farm- and make a pretty nice hemp loincloth...

Think I'll be ok?

I may even start my own tribe.

CV said...

@ahab

If you end up having to go that route, I sure hope they cordon off all you people in the District to protect it's boundaries rather then send any of you foraging into the countryside...

Anonymous said...

I-Man-

just make sure you render unto Caesar what is Caesar's

Anonymous said...

CV-

dude- I just want to be part of the protected class-

I wonder if we would get guaranteed food rations?

CV said...

I've already got my food rations...

No need to rely on anyone else for them...

I-Man said...

Mistah Taxmon best not come round I-Man's hunting grounds...

We do have arrows... lots of em. As well as slings, stones, and donkey jawbones.

Anonymous said...

CV-

how is that indoor Tilapia farm coming along-

I went to an ethnic grocery store a few weeks back- by chance (did find some Tiger Beer- haven't had that in about 20 years)-

anyway- in the back of the store was a huge aquarium full of Tilapia- and in other tanks some other types of fish-

now that's fresh- never seen such a thing

Anonymous said...

I-Man-

damn revenuers-

you're reminding me of the old Snuffy Smith comics

McFearless said...

"It won't be until that vote gets them NADA until mass numbers of them turn to violence..."


C, can't we say this is already starting to happen, slowly yes, but you have tea parties, and people showing up to rally's with guns...because they can.

Most people in my age range that I hang with think their vote counts for shit.

CV said...

The thing that make me laugh when I get into discussions with people on the subject is this...

The average person reasons with me for hours on end trying to tell me I'm wearing a tinfoil hat and that TPTB are in control, and that nothing bad "could ever" happen...

Then, finally in the end, when enough holes ar poked in their security blanket, they immediately default to criticizing me that ROAMING BANDS OF PIRATES are going to come and steal everything away...

I just laugh... I'm like, "wait a minute", weren't you just telling me a minute ago that NONE OF THIS WAS EVER GOING TO HAPPEN?

It seems hard for people to embrace any idea of moderation, or moderate preparedness...

I mean, you buy insurance for your house, for your car, and other things...

If a tornado really wants to come and wipe you out for good... Well, that's beyond anybody's control...

I can't see why people buy insurance and things, yet have NOTHING in the way of preparation if basic societal operations become disrupted...

Half the people around are probably driving around with 2 gallons of gas in the car and two bottles of water and some stale pizza in the fridge...

McFearless said...

"If a tornado really wants to come and wipe you out for good... Well, that's beyond anybody's control..."

oh that's such BS, the government makes tornado's, George Bush especially.

CV said...

@McF

Most people OF ALL AGES belong to the GIB...

And sure, you're right about the tea parties happening... But the MSM is still in the process of "labeling" these...

So the ideas and attitudes about them are still "splintered" overall... It hasn't reached CRITICAL MASS yet... It will, but I'm thinking it's still one step beyond...

Anyway, that's just my "sense"...

2nd mouse gets the cheese...

72bat said...

down in louisvile last weekend on the mega-cavern tour, thely showed a 1950s civil defense film and described the provisions for sheltering up to 50,000 "essential" gov't personnel and civilians (certain skill sets) for up to 3 years in this 100+ acre underground limestone quarry. don't think they would have made it on 1 liter h2o and biscuits (700 cal)/day

Anonymous said...

CV-

reminds of the movie Castaway-

Tom Hanks would have given up all his worldly possessions just for some damn water to drink-

love the end where he is driving around and he has a new Wilson vollyball and bottles and bottles of water in the passenger seat-

damned if he won't be prepared this time

I-Man said...

I dont plan on voting again. Ever.

McFearless said...

they have smaller underground bunkers all over the country for sale. Some of them a several million some just a few hundred k.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATUfnWmIpmk

McFearless said...

oh I will vote, and objectively this next go round, meaning I'll vote for the candidate I like the least....

Anonymous said...

to paraphrase Yogi Berra-

no-one votes anymore- the lines are too long

CV said...

@McF

And I'm not sure you caught onto EXACTLY what I was meaning when I said "NADA"...

What I mean is this...

Imagine this... OK, we're broke and the government knows this... The EASIEST way to balance the budget would be to stop all ENTITLEMENTS (Soc Sec, Medicare, etc.)...

Now, of course that's a CRAZY idea, right?

What if we did away with the Dept of Education?

Crazy!

Foodstamps? Unemployment?

Ludicrous!

Politicians would be crazy to run on any platform that would deny these benefits... Might get a few TEAPARTY votes, but the candidate that PROTECTS these handouts will get the votes...

Harry Reid is LOVING the fact that the teaparty candidate won who will challenge him for his seat...

The more DEPENDENT this country gets on entitlements, the harder it is going to be to get rid of these people (without REAL VIOLENCE)...

Hell, you'll have "grannies" hitting teapartiers with their umbrellas if it comes to their Social Securitiy benefits and their subsidized medicine...

McFearless said...

some larger name stocks are really struggling today, PG, KO, GE...to name a few

CV said...

@ahab

One of my FAVORITE movies...

Kind of like Swiss Family Robinson, or Robinson Crusoe...

Anonymous said...

Social Security is not a government benefit- they're setting that mosey aside for me until later is all- LOL

what happened to those damn lock boxes anyway

CV said...

@McF (1:06)

Time to see if the Eur-Usd bounce yesterday was just a one day wonder...

I think, at best, it consolidates (before going lower again)...

CV said...

@ahab

Ask Johnson

CV said...

Vote Early Vote often is my motto!

arbitrage789 said...

The latest business week magazine has an article on bearish forecasters.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_25/b4183048417437.htm

Following is an excerpt:

In the 1970s [Robert Prechter] revived an old system of measuring investor psychology called the Elliott Wave Principle and used it to advise subscribers of his investment newsletter on Oct. 5, 1987, that they liquidate their stock holdings. Two weeks later, the market crashed. Prechter was hailed as a genius—though the label didn't stick. In 1993, The Wall Street Journal ran a page-one story headlined "Robert Prechter Sees His 3600 on the Dow—But 6 Years Late." He stayed pessimistic through the 1990s, and in 2002 said the Dow Jones industrial average would fall below 1000. It surged 25 percent the following year and kept going up until 2007. According to Prechter, 61, the market's failure to crash as he predicted only set it up for more devastating blows down the road—which could be right now. Last March he correctly called the market bottom and predicted a rally. That has now run its course. The Standard & Poor's 500-stock index, he says, will dip below its March 2009 low. "From a peak in 2010, the stock market should fall for six years," he says. Although his pessimism remains the same, the basis of it has changed. This time around it's rooted in the actions of governments. "Government is acting like the last drunk at the party. Government is spending at an unprecedented rate, regulating the minutest areas of our lives, and strutting around as if it's solving problems as it creates them." Coming up next, according to Prechter? Another crisis in real estate and stocks. "The next crisis will encompass markets that are already off their highs: stocks, commodities, and real estate. But it will also extend to areas that have so far sailed through, namely corporate and municipal bonds, asset-backed bonds, and even many sovereign government bonds”

CV said...

@DL

Robert who?

arbitrage789 said...

CV,

Oh, just some guy. I'm sure you've never heard of him.

Anonymous said...

CV-

Castaway- great movie w/ a great message-

something my anthropology professor told me years ago-

people are social animals- even a hermit needs to get out and about from time to time-

but imagine 4 years w/ only a volleyball as your friend-

it would send anyone over the edge- thus after 4 years of being on the island he would just spear a fish and eat it right then- why bother cooking? no-one to share your meal with- who cares how it tastes- no-one to share the experience with

karen said...

what now, I-Man.. who's giving it up first, the spx or us ? : )

CV said...

@ahab

I know... That scene when WILSON drifts away from the raft past the safety rope is touching...

It's also kind of like Will Smith in I AM LEGEND...

The relation he has with the mannequins...

I-Man said...

Karen,

I was just about to post my retreat, once more.

Done for the day.

I-Man said...

Should've listened to Leftback.

CV said...

@karen

Of course we all know that once a trend is spotted, it's no longer a trend... BUT

I've been noticing on that 200SMA 10 min chart, that when the RSI hits past 80 or 20, within the next day, there's a cross over the SMA...

Usually overnight

karen said...

$wlsh made it over 13 ema (which is still way below 34 ema) for second day.. if today is like the last 3 pairs of times it breached the line, get ready for the whoosh.. by today's close. meanwhile, i will continue to nurse my headache : )

Anonymous said...

gotta roll out-

all have a great day

arbitrage789 said...

I saw the message of the "Castaway" movie as something of a metaphor for anyone who is in a situation that he/she would like to get out of.
Stay where you are, and just "get by", or take a huge risk, in the hope of achieving a substantial benefit?

I-Man said...

Well, thats annoying...



Ever get the feeling that the Market just "knows"?

Seriously...

Its like someone's got an implant in my brain... just waiting to dick with my stop levels.

I'm not playing this time though, enjoy the festivities.

It can close at 1030 or 1110 for all I care.

I-Man said...

Maybe I should stop sharing my thoughts, and go silent.

Maybe I will...

CV said...

@TWSWB...

Ahem! Still like that "typical recovery" idea? Isn't this what you'd built your thesis on?

ECRI Leading Economic Index Drops To 44 Week Low, Predicts Massive Economic Contraction

"David Rosenberg's favorite leading indicator, the Economic Cycle Research Institute (ECRI) Leading Index, fell to 123.2 in the week ended June 4, down from 124 the week before, a -3.5% annualized contraction: the first time this has gone negative in over a year. This is the lowest level since July 31, 2009, when it was at 122.4, as the chart below demonstrates. What is more troubling is a historical comparison to the dark days of the 1970's recession. While the amplitude of the recent pick up has been unprecedented, from -30 to +30, it is only mirrored by the -20 to +20 jump seen in 1971-1973. However, as can also be seen below, the ensuing crash following the first spike, was the worst one in the past 35 years. If history is any predictor, does the ECRI anticipate a comparable collapse in the economy to what was seen in late 2008?"

Mr Market said...

Its like someone's got an implant in my brain... just waiting to dick with my stop levels.

Heh heh.... bend over, Bears....

CV said...

@I-Man

You could do what my baseball coach always told me...

"DON'T THINK... REACT"

Crash Davis said...

Don't think, Meat. THROW THE BALL....

karen said...

are we in the twilight zone here or what? is this the stall before the surge or the stall before the fall.. the suspense is, ah, giving me a headache : )

CV said...

@Mr. Market

Yup... I'm kinda anticipating the ramp job at this point...

RELISHING IT, actually...

McFearless said...

C,

What you are talking about are the dark thoughts I consider that scare me the most about the future picture of the US, and what could happen if the other side of that coin plays out, that in negative social mood, a very radical leader can emerge and be elected and change what we think of as "life as we know it", causing his or her predisposed followers to behave aggressively on behalf of authorities.

Try plotting the appearance and activities of people such as Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot or Saddam Hussein against the DOW. They do not appear 'at random', like markets, there is a pattern. Fear creates the conditions under which such individuals gain control.

Bob Altemeyer, author of The Authoritarian Specter:

"Authoritarian followers....are in general, more afraid than most people are...A person's fear of a dangerous world predicts various kinds of authoritarian aggression better than any other unpleasant feeling....We do have to fear fear itself....Fear can increase submission as well as aggression."

We only need the proper orator to help people understand that support or lack of support for certain programs is truly Un-American..... the social mood declines generate increasing fear (what if I can't get my social security!!), and as society becomes more fearful, like you are pointing out above, many will look for safety and order promised by the "strong" and those "in control".

Survival-oriented portions of the brain respond strongly to fear. The emotion overwhelms rational thought, alters individuals' perceptions, and causes people to bond with in-groups and become hostile toward out-groups. The desire to belong to in-groups becomes most intense during a negative mood trend.

social mood coupled with the right message at the right time changes the way things "worked" in the past.

here are some big picture thoughts from the Socionomist on how this authoritarian progression will play out:

Governments will shut down sections of the Internet
Reliance on indebted governments will become a flashpoint in the authoritarian debate.
Governments will continue to curb economic freedoms.
Authoritarian/anti-authoritarian court battles will increase dramatically.
Authoritarians will continue to use the fear of terrorism and institutionalize a culture of surveillance and control.
Governments will increasingly employ technology to monitor and control their citizens.
Authorities will use new tools acceptable to a broader swath of authoritarian-leaning individuals.
Radical actors will attack authority; some will gain hero status.
Authorities will become wantonly repressive.


real cheery stuff for a Friday...

CV said...

@karen

How about the stall before the surge before the fall...

Will that do?

karen said...

I-Man @ 1:27, and i should change my heels!

arbitrage789 said...

Karen @ 1:31

"the suspense is...giving me a headache.

The ability to endure headaches is why you make the big bucks.

Way way smarter than Leftback said...

http://online.barrons.com/public/page/barrons_econoday.html

Highlights
Business inventories rose 0.4 percent in April to extend this year's run of gains, gains that however are not accelerating. Inventories rose 0.7 percent in March and 0.5 percent in February. Stocking slowed the most among retailers where inventories rose only 0.2 percent in April vs. 0.9 percent in March. The build at wholesalers also slowed while the build at manufacturers held steady at 0.5 percent.

The build in inventories continues to lag sales, no surprise given the lag time for production and still conservative business outlooks. Business sales rose 0.6 percent in April on top of March's 2.5 percent surge. The inventories-to-sales ratio held at a record low of 1.23 -- conclusive proof that businesses are reluctant to pay the costs for inventories.

The inventory cycle is struggling to build momentum and early indications for May are not positive. Today's disappointing retail sales report doesn't point to much need for a retailer build, while ISM data point to no better than a slowing build for manufacturers.

arbitrage789 said...

Aren't we about due for another "magic Monday"...?

McFearless said...

unfortunately DL, I think we probably are.

arbitrage789 said...

McF @ 1:37

"Unfortunately"....?

Why not just go-with-the-flow.

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