Morning Audibles 6.7.10 - All Quiet on The Western Front (So Far)


Looking at futures this morning, All Quiet on the Western Front (so far)...

All Quiet On The Western Front is a novel by Erich Maria Remarque. The book was published in 1929, and it was the author's way of coming to terms with the war.

The work also has a history with censorship--the book was banned in Germany. Here are a few quotes from All Quiet On The Western Front.

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CHAPTER 1
"The soldier is on friendlier terms than other men with his stomach and intestines. Three-quarters of his vocabulary is derived from these regions, and they give an intimate flavour to expressions of his greatest joy as well as of his deepest indignation. It is impossible to express oneself in any other way so clearly and pithily. Our families and our teachers will be shocked when we go home, but here it is the universal language."

"The wisest were just the poor and simple people. They knew the war to be a misfortune, whereas those who were better off, and should have been able to see more clearly what the consequences would be, were beside themselves with joy. Katczinsky said that was a result of their upbringing. It made them stupid. And what Kat said, he had thought about."

CHAPTER 3
"You take it from me, we are losing the war because we can salute too well."

"Give 'em all the same grub and all the same pay/And the war would be over and done in a day."

CHAPTER 6
"We lie under the network of arching shells and live in a suspense of uncertainty. If a shot comes, we can duck, that is all; we neither know nor can determine where it will fall."

CHAPTER 11
"Our thoughts are clay, they are moulded with the changes of the days;--when we are resting they are good; under fire, they are dead. Fields of craters within and without."

CHAPTER 12
"He fell in October 1918, on a day that was so quiet and still on the whole front, that the army report confined itself to the single sentence: All quiet on the Western Front. He had fallen forward and lay on the earth as though sleeping. Turning him over one saw that he could not have suffered long; his face had an expression of calm, as though almost glad the end had come."

---reprint of Andy T (Sunday Evening Post 6/6/10)---



Good Evening Capitalists,
It seems like just several months ago that Wall Street "Talking Heads" were lamenting the collapse of the Dollar and how the "Dollar carry trade" was just beginning and could last for many years. It's amazing how quickly sentiment can change, eh? The DXY has witnessed a huge rally and the shorter term technicals are still bullish. However, I'm now a "leery" long, with only 20% of a Max long position dedicated to the DXY, mostly because it seems like there is far too much bearish sentiment towards the Euro. Seriously, is there anyone that doesn't KNOW or believe that the Euro is going the way of the DoDo bird? As with the DoDo bird, the longer term picture for the Euro is clear, but it's probably not going to happen tomorrow. (The 20% Core position is there just in case my "gut" is wrong on the short term call.)
I've included only one S&P page here. It was a bad week for the stock market. The pattern is clearly corrective off the lows, exhibiting a "I've fallen and can't get up" look. I'm not in the camp that we're definitely going to crash, but there's a good chance we'll see at least 1,000 in the next few weeks.
The bears are clearly "in charge" right now and are the stronger team. So, why bet against them?
DXY Update With Some SP500 6 Jun 2010

175 comments:

CV said...

Sorry about the two different fonts ladies & gents...

For some reason, blogger tends to do that when you "cut and paste" other HTML into a new post (as I always do with ANDY's posts - to give his charts another day of life & of eyes)...

Anyway - it's a tough thing to resolve...

BinT said...

A dollar spent by the government is always a dollar taken from somebody and diverted from some other activity. The only question is whether the dollar spent is more productive, or satisfies a more desperate human need, than the alternative activity would. If not, the spending is hostile to economic growth and public welfare. There is no free lunch. At best, what people call "stimulus" can only occur if the dollars spent by government are more productive than they would have been if they were allocated privately. I cannot imagine how allocating public funds to the same reckless stewards of capital that made the bad loans in the first place can possibly be a productive use of capital."

From Hussman this morning...and please take a look at his chart of GDP minus deficit spending since 1961.

http://www.hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc100607.htm

Anonymous said...

Yes a beautiful book, and the early 1930 (?) film was visceral in its antiwar message. Thanks for the recollections, Bertie

CV said...

Great post by Macro Man this morning...

CV said...

@Amen

I'm not having any problems at all...(with blogger)

CV said...

@Amen

What about your 3lb blog? Having trouble there too?

WolfStreet said...

Hey "neighbours":p @Amen:I keep getting "Blogger is currently unavailable" when trying to post.

Seems something's wrong(again), but this time maybe worse?:people having trouble with blogger(twitter messages)

CV said...

@Wolf

Seems that a few different people may be having the same trouble... AMEN RA is having problems as well...

BinT said...

http://www.2000wave.com/article.asp?id=mwo060410

There's a Slow Train Coming
June 4, 2010
By John Mauldin


"On May 27th the BEA released its first revision to its 1st Quarter 2010 GDP growth rate measurement, lowering the number from a 3.2% annualized growth rate to 3.0% annualized growth. One day later the Consumer Metrics Institute's 'Daily Growth Index' was signaling what we should expect the BEA's measurement of the 3rd Quarter 2010 GDP growth rate to be contracting at about a 2.0% rate.

"The prior BEA estimate of 1st Quarter 2010 GDP growth trailed our 'Daily Growth Index' by 127 days, and because of the rapid rate that the economy was cooling when the measurements were being made the newly adjusted estimate is now trailing our 'Daily Growth Index' by 125 days. Since the 3rd Quarter of 2010 ends 125 days after May 28th (when our 'Daily Growth Index' was recording a 'growth' rate of -1.99%), if the BEA estimates continue to trail our 'Daily Growth Index' in a consistent manner we should expect that the 3rd Quarter's GDP 'growth' rate will be in the -2.0% neighborhood."

Wow. A negative 2% in the quarter starting next month? How can that be? Let's look at what caused the recent growth."

...Worth at least three minutes....

CV said...

Here is a link to AMEN RA's 3lb blog

http://amenras3lb.blogspot.com/2010/06/weekly-3lb-update-for-week-ending-6410.html?showComment=1275914320325_AIe9_BH2QRWaRSBTJK0apBFVu7dZxCsb2BbP3fQNxtnsNYI7ARD_NNe9DN6dTs7OrNsX1ztAYO4LmVyB7mTex0wyj57sa1pQvtqxpFCyRZrVOvk0h7FlXZ3UJCA2pL5U1tSrtVie3zGJkmcdwAAJP30-dLQDt_5DpVFclLfTrHAS2u9DrgqZ35HZO0ehwjlopZ5P8-3Vlws9k9A3maCIUV1jzqlzDiYuBtGy3_kx2KRIzL6iAp2suNlqW0LZ1Vf9TJrUnfQ_mMKy#c7235169863802690404

CV said...

@BinT (8:40)

That's not good news... Because the White House Budget projections need more than 7% annual GDP growth for about the next 10 years (no hiccups), to bring deficits back in line...

CV said...

@Bruce

In any case, that was their justification for spending 2.1T over the past 18 months...

You know... to foster this sustained "growth"...

WolfStreet said...

Thks CV.

I am a huge fan of google products (web and android OS also). However, as for Blogger, I don't know what's going wrong with them..(any Blogger user knows the frustration of his comment being delayed).

They've got such a huge pile of cash that it can't be some hardware/bandwidth limitations.

So guesses are 1) they're looking into stopping the blogger service (strategy? I don't see..) or 2) they're being under attack.

CV said...

@Wolf

I haven't the foggiest (why it's often "buggy")...

All I know is... IT'S FREE... So I guess I can't complain :-)

CV said...

... and if they ever decide to make it PAY FOR they'd better rectify the "buggy-ness", or they're going to have a lot of dissatisfied customers...

Anonymous said...

From the Globe and Mail/Report on Business. www.theglobeandmail.com/news/g8-g20/economy/

"G20 leaders clash over recovery".

"Finance ministers and central bankers from the G20 countries agreed on one thing this weekend: the need to sustain a precarious global economy recovery. Where they differ is on how?"

Geithner said not to count on cash strapped American consumer. Japan and European surplus countries should pick up the slack.

WHERE IS THAT FAMOUS AMERICAN CONSUMER?

Where is Karen?

Anonymous said...

@Amen, it's the German exports/lower euro driving the futures higher up the hill.

WolfStreet said...

@Amen 8:57: I was, and am STILL thinking the same. It can't possibly be a software "bug".

BinT said...

CV:

I think I have changed my exasperation pattern to focus on Krugman this week. I keep reading the same whine from him, that if we just keep stimulation going, deficit spending going...that all will finally end up right with the world. And besides that, I must be right about this since I won the Nobel Prize.

This seems to lack the basis for knowledge, which is common sense. Thomas Edison once mentioned that genius was 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration. These guys who've never run a business, like PK and BO, don't seem to realize that we didn't start from zero on the debt scale that for 40 years we'd accumulated debt, and that there IS a point where we can't pay back the new debt we are accumulating here. Europe, especially Germany, realizes it. But snobby old Paul just looks down his nose and calls them stupid.....

Oh, well, my life is about as good as I could possibly wish for. I would like the same to hold true for my kids and grandkids. Even Krugman's grandkids......

CV said...

@Amen/Wolf

Maybe the GOOGLE programmers were asked by the FRBONY to "game the futures" this morning...lol

WolfStreet said...

Lol. I'm ok with the conclusion CV. :)

CV said...

@Bruce

Over the past two years, nothing has fundamentally changed in my mind (save for one thing)...

Two years ago, I hadn't KNOWN that the policy response would be just to print and spend until the cows came home...

That appears to still be the strategy, so whatever the outcome (good or bad - probably latter), it will be born from that...

karen said...

morning! i'm barely functioning.. spilled the beans, too.. sorry.. futures sure changed direction from last night!

CV said...

@Manny

Celtics looked pretty good last night...

No "bean spilling" there :-)

CV said...

@Amen

You're viewing the markets as "Last Exit for Gas"

or another good metaphor...

The "Thelma & Louise" moment is coming...

karen said...

this was not the morning to put too much water in the french press as well.. my friend cooked a mutli-course dinner with wine pairings last night.. had most assuredly the best crab cake of my life..

karen said...

back to topic.. where were we arguing the spx would get to last week before a run up? oh, yeah.. we one target was hit friday.. i'm thinking 1040 now.. anyone?

CV said...

@karen

Crab Cakes :-)... Now THAT's eatin'!

karen said...

oops, i apologize.. thotful post CV and noted Andy's spx chart.. that route looks good to me!

CV said...

@karen

I'm thinking that we could get to the 1020 - 1000 zone...

CV said...

@karen

So basically, Andy's wave hypothesis (in slide 5) jives with my thinking...

Not sure what's going to happen today tho...

If it manages to bounce up near 1080, I'll probably add on short...

Anonymous said...

best crab cakes. . . .California? please

CV said...

Eur-USD might end up getting a short lived bounce soon...

karen said...

duck confit on baby arugula, too! (and some type of marinated and grilled lamb chop/medallion served atop a roasted eggplant in fresh tomato sauce.) oh, and the the dessert! fresh fig baked with a vanilla bean, and served warm with a dollop of homemade honey ice cream..

CV said...

@karen

72bat is going to jump through the screen when he reads that!

"Foodie Extraordinaire" that he is...

CV said...

@ahab

Although I should be... I'm not a "Maryland Crab" snob...

I've come to appreciate different methodologies...

karen said...

ahab.. my friend cooks for a living !! and is studying for various wine certifications.. he is a walking history book, now..

karen said...

i should read the macroman post.. i am definitely lost this morning.. will there be more QE or not! that is the question.. and i'm skittish on the charts at these levels.. BB is infamous for pulling rabbits from hats..

BinT said...

Atlanta back on top in the NL East...

Simply unbelievable.

Anonymous said...

that Karen has a private menu- from a friend- makes all the difference- probably very good-

however- I've eaten crab cakes all over- and have found that outside of out little area here- the crab cakes elsewhere use way too much filler-

especially that way the more south you go

Anonymous said...

last post should read "our little area here"

CV said...

@karen

Macro Man had a great post...

QE - IMO... I heard this said somewhere else (and I buy the notion)... That the Fed is out of bullets, they know it, so the next QE is all they have left...

They wouldn't use "pre-emptively", only reactionary...

So we'd probably have to get down near 800 for them to use it...

Don't worry, it's coming...

BinT said...

Here in Tennessee we like to marinate our crabmeat in a little Jack Daniels. Wonderful eating...I guess I should mention that the marinating goes on after you have your crabcake in your pie hole....

karen said...

his crab cakes had basically no filler.. and absolutely no flour as we talked about it..

the analogy at macroman was excellent.. very clever post.

72bat said...

cv -
yes i did. also used to cook for a living though not at the level of karen's friend
saturday at "the blind pig" in louisville, for starters both rilletes and a white bean puree to spread over croutons, shared entrees of cassoullet, shepherd's pie, baked salmon with chorizo, all washed down with kentucky bourbon barrel ale (fermented in bourbon barrels - sweet!)
best crabcakes evah at a crab shack just north of bal'mor on ol' u.s. hwy 1!

CV said...

@ahab

Agreed on a the "filler" part... A genuine Maryland Crab cake has huge chunks of meat and hardly any binding or filler at all...

karen said...

remember i posted about srs last week? the channel is so clean.. (haha, untill it is not, i know..) but i sold all and would look to get back in near 27.50 if it dared get that low again..

karen said...

from http://www.annaly.com/blog/

The number of workers moving from the “unemployed” bucket to the “not in the labor force” bucket is at a new record during May, which tells us that potential workers are getting frustrated with their job search and giving up. Couple that with the fact that the duration of unemployment in the US has risen to a high of 34.4 weeks in May, and this is not a pretty picture.

CV said...

@McF

Keep saying it and it might come true... Nah!

karen said...

CV, i'm sorry, can't find your spx number above.. the top target for today..

CV said...

@karen (10:11)

What happened to all the "shovel ready" stuff?

What about the census...

I know! BO ought to create a cabinet level department where we all count shovels...

Brilliant!

CV said...

@karen

I have no clear view of a TOP (call it "rollover" number for SPX)...

I'm GUESSING 1080-1082-ish (but we may not even make it there)...

However, AFTER doing a probe lower (say 1020-1000), I think equities could do a big dead-cat wave back up to cover that 1110-1120 area...

It would probably happen in July - August (on very low volume)...

I'm really only guessing here...

Anonymous said...

well my son's 19 today- and I am letting him pick where he wants to go for lunch-

may just be Ray's Hell Burger- Obama's and Biden's favorite(-:!!!!

it's pretty good but not all that-

they have a burger called "Burger of Seville" w/ toppings of seared foie gras, sautéed mushrooms, bordalaise sauce and truffle oil-

all for $18- wow- that's a pricey burger

CV said...

Happy Birthday son of ahab!

karen said...

ahab, please do report back on his pick! that will be a fun time..

gld and gdx back to green..

Anonymous said...

son of ahab-

wow- that sounds very biblical-

or possibly a sequel to a Stephen King story

karen said...

if the crude chart is working.. this little jaunt higher but be spent.. so tempted to buy srs but think i'll just sit out..

CV said...

Isn't BB meeting today to consider a move in the discount rate?

CV said...

Son of AHAB... Ruler of Thunderdome!

karen said...

I-Man.. normally no meat or poultry for me.. just seafood and greens.. but it would have been rude of me not to taste everything! besides, the fact i knew it wouldn't kill me : )

karen said...

so the surf is supposed to come up today.. i am in desperate need of a new avatar..

CV said...

@karen

Thanks for the pics this weekend...

&BTW... I'm wondering how a "pole dancing" video got in my e-mail...

Anonymous said...

"you appear to be just having a case of the Mundayz..."

lol-

I may just go to Chotchkies now(-:!!!

karen said...

CV.. our simultaneous posts on the same subject are...

karen said...

vxx is interesting.. i have some.. and have hopes for selling it off today.. think i can do better than where it's at, however.

karen said...

CV, no takers on the pole dancers. it was and impressive routine, don't you think?

Anonymous said...

Bernie Madoff says-

"Fuck my victims. I carried them for twenty years, and now I'm doing 150 years,"

it appears Madoff is becoming quite the celebrity inmate-

"In prison, Madoff is regarded as a success, is admired and has fans"

and why not I guess- the dude didn't settle for small change swindles- he was a true player stealing billions-

what's not to admire- if you're a con

CV said...

@karen

very impressive... Whoda thot?

Anonymous said...

okay Karen- link up the pole dancing video or is it posted in youtube already(-:!!!

WolfStreet said...

re Ahab:"In prison, Madoff is regarded as a success, is admired and has fans"

Where is the lad staying? I'm guessing it's some "elite" first class jail. Put him in where he belongs, and I'm guessing he would not feel that joyful.

karen said...

FCIC subpoenas Goldman over failure to provide documents..

CV, do you know how to get that video to him? LOL

CV said...

@karen

I'll figure a way...

It's not what you think abab - lol

karen said...

ahab, if you give me your email i can send it..it's better than you think !!

karen said...

cv, must have your email..

Anonymous said...

wolf-

you mean he is not in "pound-me-in-the-ass prison"?

Karen-

call_me_ahab@yahoo.com

CV said...

@karen

I'll send you ahabs e-mail...

CV said...

or you do it... LOL

CV said...

@McF

To some... yes...

I haven't had any problems tho... yet

karen said...

i don't seem to be having any problem posting.. for a change..

cv, i meant you send it to him, but I just did if that was a real email address, laughing.

karen said...

would someone look at vxx.. doesn't 35 seem like a given?

karen said...

i really enjoyed this post at TBP and especially the first comment:

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/06/qotd-on-the-word-bet/#comments

Anonymous said...

Karen-

you're right- not what I expected(-:!!!

karen said...

anyone else starving? think i'll make an egg white omelet with goat cheese brie and avocado..

karen said...

dto to 86? i-man, pls look and tell..

karen said...

P&F charts can be so annoying. $gaso price objective $0.. we'll all be dead, then.

72bat said...

k -
same ol' same ol' for lunch for me: cold soup of cucumber-dill-garlic-yogurt

Anonymous said...

rolling out for now-

will check in later

spoonman said...

hello? maybe you should change the name of the post to "All quiet on CV's blog"

spoonman said...

haha, I take it back, I just couldn't see the comments. Blogger acting weird for me too, I guess. No problem posting though...

CV said...

@all

Because of the trouble with BLOGGER today, many of the posts are coming is as duplicates...

I'm going through and removing the MULTIPLE versions of any post I see...

But if I accidentally remove any other comment, I apologize in advance...

CV

BinT said...

Hadn't thought of it in this way before. Now that I read it, I do see the common sense in his point of view.

http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Laffer-2011-Tax-Collapse/2010/06/07/id/361234?s=al&promo_code=A061-1

Laffer: 2011 'Tax' Collapse Coming

mcHAPPY said...

I do not know what to think of today. There is no clarification on anything. I am still in the camp that 1040.78 holds for the short term but with no money on the table I am just waiting for a resolution - one way or the other.

I do recall a few weeks ago there were many of us (myself included) looking for significant resistance at 1040-1044.

Until proven otherwise I still like 1040.78 as the end of 1.

arbitrage789 said...

McF @ 11:34

Gee, thanks.

arbitrage789 said...

CV @ 12:35

I haven't had any problems with blogger.

CV said...

@I-Man

Thus... all quiet on the western front

CV said...

@DL

LOL - Keep doing that and I'm going to charge you for "trash removal" service...

I-Man said...

I love you Blogger, please be nice to the I...

I-Man said...

Well, there's my post, but I dont see my friends...

CV said...

Goldman Downgrades BP, Cuts Price Target

Quick... Run out and buy some for the inevitable bounce!

BinT said...

http://www.cnbc.com/id/37552344

Oil Drilling Halt Takes Its First Earnings Victim

"I might as well have stayed; my emails and phone calls have been filled with doom and gloom over the weekend.

At the core of the problem is that many hedge funds had a simply disastrous May. Some said it was the worst May they had ever experienced. What was the problem? Firms were not just long the market, they had sold volatility — essentially a bet that the market would see the same low-volume, low-price swings it had seen for the prior 12 months.

That bad bet has put many firms at risk, and they have been involved in a mad dash to take down risk."

arbitrage789 said...

I don't know about buying BP right here, but it seems like the stock should hit bottom some time before the well gets capped.

CV said...

I was trying to be funny, not try to generate any analog line of thinking...:-)

BinT said...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704113504575264513748386610.html

Tax Hikes and the 2011 Economic Collapse

Today's corporate profits reflect an income shift into 2010. These profits will tumble next year, preceded most likely by the stock market.

"In 1981, Ronald Reagan—with bipartisan support—began the first phase in a series of tax cuts passed under the Economic Recovery Tax Act (ERTA), whereby the bulk of the tax cuts didn't take effect until Jan. 1, 1983. Reagan's delayed tax cuts were the mirror image of President Barack Obama's delayed tax rate increases. For 1981 and 1982 people deferred so much economic activity that real GDP was basically flat (i.e., no growth), and the unemployment rate rose to well over 10%.

But at the tax boundary of Jan. 1, 1983 the economy took off like a rocket, with average real growth reaching 7.5% in 1983 and 5.5% in 1984. It has always amazed me how tax cuts don't work until they take effect. Mr. Obama's experience with deferred tax rate increases will be the reverse. The economy will collapse in 2011.

Consider corporate profits as a share of GDP. Today, corporate profits as a share of GDP are way too high given the state of the U.S. economy. These high profits reflect the shift in income into 2010 from 2011. These profits will tumble in 2011, preceded most likely by the stock market."

This is the gist of the article I posted earlier...it is worth thinking about for the rest of 2010....Frankly, it is one of those articles that just feels like the author is correct when you first read it...

arbitrage789 said...

McF @ 1:28

It's got to hit bottom at SOME point.

I'm not going to actually buy the stock, but if I were the sort who liked to buy-and-hold individual stocks for two years or more, I would be inclined to buy BP shares some time in the next month.

72bat said...

br seems a little schizoid, posting about the unlikelihood of a double dip, while allowing that "As the data confirms, there can be no doubt we have entered a soft patch," then countering the chorus of bearish commenters with this:
Barry Ritholtz Says: June 7th, 2010 at 12:26 pm
"Um, we are 75% cash — or doesn’t that mean anything to you guys?"
so no double dip, we're in a soft patch, and for now we're not that long?

sounds like me, i have no effin' idea what's holding all this up and thus no confidence in going long, but don't trust getting short (again)..., yet.

mcHAPPY said...

Ben,

Any thoughts on where 1040 is in the grand-er scheme of things?

I glanced at Daneric this morning for sh*ts and giggles as it is not one of my regulars, and he had a chart there of 1065.79 being a i, 1173.57 being a ii, 1040 being a iii, 1105.67 being a iv and v to come. Obvious problem with this is iv would extend well in to i. His top alternate count also has this same problem - iv goes in to i.

Does he use more than EW? Needless to say, albeit I am newer than a newbie, I found this count a little hard to even consider given it breaks one of the 3 set rules.

I-Man said...

Looks like 1055 is the new target.

Tim Geithner said...

1040. Doesn't that have something to do with filing a tax return?

Honk Paulson said...

Dont sweat the little things, Timmy...

Brian the Broker's Shapely Assistant Tawny said...

My, my... that is a little thing Timmy....

Brian the Broker said...

SOrry, Tawny, WE'VE JUST HIRED A NEW INWESTMENT ADWISOR...

Citibank Expert On the Talk Shows

karen said...

$BKX at 47.. hold or break time..

can aapl save the day? "Apple unveils newest iPhone with video-calling feature, starting at $199"

BinT said...

Only an hour to go and we are at the lowest levels of the day? Hmmmmm...seems like this is where they put the bacon grease on the slide most trading days....

karen said...

"The Obama Administration has effectively demonstrated that special interests are too entrenched to trust the government to apply effective stimulus. They gifted the financial services industry billions and are still bailing them out via Fannie and Freddie. Afterwards, they went on the Healthcare boondoggle which is rightfully seen as a giveaway to the healthcare insurance companies resulting from secret closed door agreements with the Obama Administration.

They have discredited stimulus as a policy tool. And even deficit spending via tax cuts is now seen as irresponsible because of their efforts. Americans are willing to go with fiscal austerity if only to stop this predatory transfer of wealth.

What does that mean for investing? Hussman thinks that "we have modestly eased from strenuous overvaluation to still clear overvaluation." But that doesn’t mean he is buying the dips. Instead, he is gradually expanding his exposure to precious metals, keeping his treasury duration down to 3-4 years while hedging toward longer term inflation via TIPS. As I have been saying, first the deflation then the inflation."

Read more: http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2010/06/hussman-on-bailouts-of-poor-stewards-of-capital.html#ixzz0qC9YCZ2N"

karen said...

I want one!

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/06/whats_so_great_about_the_new_i.html

Obama said...

A stimulus has to be at least four trillion dollars in size in order to be truly effective.

mcHAPPY said...

Thanks for the insights, Ben. Since I clearly missed this one back around 1100, I'm just sitting back trying to re-capture a little of the glory of , er, I mean big picture.

karen said...

vxx closed it's gap.. hope it's not done moving up..

I-Man said...

You're golden, Miss Perfect.

karen said...

for basketball fans: http://nymag.com/news/sports/66474/

Oracle of the Hardwood
The last great (and good) basketball scout.

I-Man said...

I think they just applied the bacon grease, Bruce...

karen said...

what do we make of this??

U.S. consumers took on $1 billion more in debts in April, even as credit-card balances declined for the 19th straight month, the Federal Reserve reported Monday. U.S. consumer credit -- excluding real estate loans -- rose by $1 billion to $2.44 trillion in April, a 0.5% annualized growth rate. It was only the second increase in outstanding debt in the past 14 months. Revolving credits, such as credit cards, declined by $8.5 billion to $838 billion in April, or a 12% annualized decrease. Nonrevolving credit, such as auto loans, student loans and personal loans, rose $9.4 billion in April, or a 7.1% annualized growth rate.

karen said...

i am so tempted to buy aapl (soon).. what do you say, DL?

mcHAPPY said...

A stop around 1052 would make me very comfortable.

A break of 1040 would have me relieved.

Dicking around 1041-1055 for a couple of days will really piss me off.

I-Man said...

"30 Handles in 30 Seconds"

A love story.

CV said...

Bulls DID NOTwant to lose 9850 on the Dow...

arbitrage789 said...

Karen @ 3:19

Still looks a little expensive in here.

I-Man said...

I-Man might be down for some AAPL...

AT 100.

But not a penny more.

AmenRa said...

Looks like they're trying to hold the lows from overnight futures. 1052 on ES & SP futures. 9825 on Dow futures. If those get taken out then look out.

AmenRa said...

Seems like blogger has found the problem. Fingers crossed.

McFearless said...

aapl is up 20% on the year, is that a buy here? good luck on that one Karen.

As for CC, can't say I'm shocked with the big jump in auto sales... we didnt' think people were actually going to pay for those cars up front did we?

Can't all go down at once, late last year we saw some huge negatives (records)...still a pretty powerful trend at work there.

karen said...

of course, i agree aapl is expensive.. i'm thinking $210

arbitrage789 said...

McF @ 3:36

She's not actually tempted. She's just trying to bait me.

Mannwich said...

Looks like blogger likes Mannwich again. Or least doesn't hate me.

mcHAPPY said...

I wish I was short. First time I've ever said that in my life.

Mannwich said...

Blogger must be a Laker fan.

karen said...

DL, I <3 apple.. r u kidding? i'll be buying at least 2 phones as soon as they are available.. dying for an ipad, too!

McFearless said...

silver shorts taking a serious beating today....ouch.

arbitrage789 said...

Karen @ 3:47

Two phones?

. . . . .

I noticed that AT&T is changing its pricing structure, as of tomorrow.

McFearless said...

I'll get an iPhone when they can be used on Verizon, which I think is fairly soon.

karen said...

DL, my son and I each need to replace.. i'll check into the new pricing structure.. currently all four of us are still on the plan..

Anonymous said...

well it appears this "soft patch" just got a little softer-

BR- the dude has gone off the deep end

karen said...

1050 doesn't really offer any support, does it?

Mannwich said...

Fugly close here.

McFearless said...

I don't get Barry anymore, I feel like all the stuff I thought I was supposed to learn from him, he's now going against it.....oh well.

Karen, 1040 fast approaches

I have to say, if EWI is correct and this current move doesn't end until 8,500 dow I'll have left some decent coin on the table.

Anonymous said...

and it is kind of ironic that the bearish ritholtz has become the ridicule of his own bearish "fan base"-

soft patch? give me a fucking break

CV said...

I don't suppose that was the close BULLS were looking for...

Mannwich said...

When does Joe Retail say he's had enough of these shitty markets and believe that even the mattress is a better, safer place? If this thing takes the elevator back down, I think that's final straw for J6P.

WolfStreet said...

Ahab=>"soft patch"?.. however much I don't care about TBP, I believe you're being somewhat hasty. Today's close doesn't mean a thing, even for the short term(1 month).

CV said...

@Mannwich

That'll take awhile...

First he has to go thru the phase of NOT OPENING HIS MONTHLY STATEMENTS for a few months...

karen said...

kind of fun to read about this property and vote..

http://lansner.freedomblogging.com/2010/06/07/is-57-million-home-worth-it/66747/

Mannwich said...

@cv: Ha! You're probably right but I think it's going to happen eventually. I think it's already happening slowly with some (including my Dad and my father-in-law).

McFearless said...

Manny, J6P has been saying that for over a year in the net....look at the flows....they aren't buying stock. This was a computer rally...remember BR saying over and over again the rally wouldnt' fizzle until retail got in more....he kept saying it because it's never really happened.

Perhaps for the one's that buy and hold MF's though you can say they got back in heavier than every though, latest allocation to cash in mutual funds reports is at an all time record low.

no surprise the whole Monday is always up is dead and gone now....

Mannwich said...

The mass revulsion of these markets hasn't hit THE low yet but when it does, watch out. Katy bar the door there. Or Lloyd and Co. had better bar his....

McFearless said...

"First he has to go thru the phase of NOT OPENING HIS MONTHLY STATEMENTS for a few months..."

Sad, as I'm sure you all know, this is exactly what people do.

Mannwich said...

@ben: Maybe not buying but holding equity mutual funds. What happens when they start moving their jing out of those equity mutual funds in big numbers? Many are probably beginning to say "screw it, I got some of my money back and I'm outta here for good". Or at least they're thinking it now and will be SAYING (and doing) it soon. Very soon.

karen said...

hope to check back later.. otherwise, see you all in the morning : )

AmenRa said...

Someone pushed the SPX over 1050 at the close...lol.
Bastids.

Anonymous said...

here is another little soft spot-

"In Brutal Job Market, More Than a Million Quit Looking"


wolf- BR's outlook has become clouded- I am not quite sure where he stands- and maybe he doesn't either- it use to be quite clear-

but he does appear to believe in the V shaped recovery- you know- a "typical" recovery- because we always throw a couple trillion around to stimulate the economy- so why not a "typical" recovery for that "typical" action

Mannwich said...

Glazer family in debt up to their eyeballs. Hey guys, join the club!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5259694

Mannwich said...

Glazer family $1.6 Bil in debt. Is that all? WTF?!??! It's official - our so-called "best and brightest" (or least previously richest) have lost their fucking minds. Greed is a powerful drug, apparently.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5259694

McFearless said...

Manny, I think last week or the week before had record equity fund outflows...so we are seeing some of that...but I'd count on many of those types to hold all the way down.

"it'll come back"

McFearless said...

ahab,

hence my ridicule of the "typical bear market" chart from Day 1. It never was typical in any way.....

McFearless said...

gotta head out.

look out for Ray Allen...raining Primary 3's!

Leftback said...

We are overdue for a bounce and Treasury auctions are ahead, which usually provides an excuse for the B/Ds to sell off bonds and rotate some of that cash into equities. There are probably enough shorts now to generate a squeeze of sizeable proportions, if FX specs will co-operate.

If we break below 1040, all bets are off, eh? Katherine? Anyway, things have been clearly ugly in stocks, but the action in credit was more sedate, with JNK and HYG holding up OK. This isn't panic market action yet. I am inclined to sell Ts at the very least, and also to sell volatility.

WolfStreet said...

@Ahab:the lad is managing quite some money. He knows what he's doing. Now maybe trouble is : is he being honest "for free"? lol. joking.

Leftback said...

Notwithstanding the likelihood of a tradeable bounce before long, deflation seems to be becoming entrenched... low starting salaries are back !! A year or two of this and the dollar menus will be back in force. You know, deflation just MAKES SENSE.

http://finance.yahoo.com/career-work/article/109735/Low-ball-salary-offers-should-you-take-it-or-leave-it?mod=career-salary_negotiation

Mannwich said...

I'm inclined to agree with lb. A bounce HAS to be coming soon here. I'm almost ready to snag some SSO for a quick trade. ;-)

Leftback said...

Manny,

I know you have been riding the D train in the long bond. All aboard !!

Take a look at TLT and you may see signs of an imminent pull-back. We have been taking a little off the table from a massive TLT and AGG position, especially on the worst of the deep equity sell-off days.

Today we are sitting well off the flash crash lows of 3.99% for the 30y. So it does look like we are setting up a short-term H&S in TLT. Just a thought, from the other side of the coin.

Mannwich said...

Yes, I have, lb. Might take a little more off tomorrow but this one's a longer term core holding for Mannwich for the time being.

I-Man said...

TLT to $500!

Just kidding, I had a pint of IPA at lunch, so I'm feeling funny.

Leftback said...

Same here. My bond portfolio has served me well here.
Deeply bearish, and I booked a sleeper on the D-Train...™

But... World Cup dead ahead, who wants to be shorting the bonds and currencies of small European countries when you can be playing them on the field or yelling at their fans in the pub? I just don't think the high energy moves are going to be sustained here.

I do agree with Mauldin's post this weekend that a Slow Train is Coming, it's the New Normal as the Pump Begins to Run Dry...

My GDP forecast is 0.8 for Q3 and about -1.0 for Q4. After that things will get grim, until and unless they launch the QE2.

Expectations for the next jobs number will be low.. so that could be an upside surprise. After that, census lay offs and a slow lazy hazy end of summer will ensure that we begin the double dip in earnest.

Leftback said...

Cheers, I-Man, LB is off to the match.

I-Man said...

But in all seriousness, TLT to 108 before you can buy SPY.

I-Man said...

Cheers, mate. Good to see you 'round herre.

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